Episode 143: Jen Hatmaker


I am so thrilled to have Jen Hatmaker join me at the table. Jen has been a household name for me for many years. She is someone who has always made me laugh and made me think. She has worked in ministry for all her adult life alongside her husband, Brandon. They have 5 kids ranging from 12-20 and when we recorded this episode, she was about to take her daughter across the country to college. She is an author, speaker, podcaster who loves people and Jesus deeply.

We have an honest conversation about faith. We talk about her faith journey, learning to ask questions, how exposure can be the best teacher and giving your kids the permission to make their faith their own.

I know that not everyone listening agrees with everything that will be said. But here is what I love about conversations like this: when you allow yourself to have a conversation with someone and you enter the conversation with a posture of curiosity, you’ll find that empathy and kindness follows. I want to invite you to enter the conversation that way. 

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Takeaways From Our Conversation:

  • When I reflect back on this conversation, my hope for you was to realize that our God is big and that wrestling with faith is good—not scary. Bringing your mind to the table of faith can increase your love for God. You have permission to ask questions, to wrestle, to have dialog with people you don’t agree with or have conversions about topics you don’t fully understand. 

  • People who think or believe differently are not the enemy.I recently read Imperfect Courage with Jessica Honegger said she in it: “Vulnerability, when met with empathy, leads to wholeness.” When we approach someones vulnerability with empathy, relationship wins every time. 

  • “Exposing injustice is not the same thing as creating injustice."

  • “Exposure is the best teacher."

  • God is not threatened by your questions about Him or the Bible. Questions bring your attention back to God.

Discussion Questions

  • What was your experience with faith like growing up? And has it evolved in any way as an adult?

  • What have you read or listened to that has helped expand and deepen your love for Jesus?

  • What can you expose yourself to that would help create empathy for people who aren't like you?

  • What is one thing you want to do this week based on today's conversation?

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